Fri 2 Oct 2009
Did NBC Wait Too Long To Rid Themselves of BS? (Or How Bad Is NBC?)
Posted by Nick C under NBC
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Tomorrow we get to find out if The CW finally defeated a major Network in ratings with an originally scripted program. That is how bad things are for NBC. How did this all happen?
BS (Ben Silverman) took over NBC in 2007 when Kevin Reilly was prematurely shown the door (he seems to have done well with FOX). The 2007/2008 and 2008/2009 seasons were record lows for NBC. No new hits. NBC literally has nothing to show from the 2 seasons that BS ran the company.
Forcing BS out after 2 seasons is actually pretty fast. However, shouldn’t they have done this back in say April or March? Instead the new guy (Gaspin) is left overseeing a kitchen that is currently using recipes from the last guy (remember the stupid one).
MERCY is a failure. It may last one more week before getting the axe. TRAUMA is likely to send out the same vibe after it airs its second episode. HEROES? Stick a fork in it. It’s done. It already dropped to a series low 2.5, and it’s possible it will dip under a 2.5 this coming week. THE BIGGEST LOSER isn’t pulling its normal numbers, and THE OFFICE has been an early slouch. Lucky for NBC some wedding will save the show’s ratings right?
Will it? I’m afraid we may wake up to see that VAMPIRE DIARIES out performed one of the NBC comedies. PARKS & RECREATION would be what I’d bet against. It’s falling, and VD has vampires. Vampires = ratings.
Financially LENO may be a success, but we’ve already heard the backlash from affiliates over weaker than normal news ratings. NBC literally has nothing going for it. They have nothing on the immediate horizon that has any of the pop/fun vibe that Gaspin’s USA network was continuously providing us with their new shows (shows like BURN NOTICE and ROYAL PAINS). CHUCK is the only bright spot, but some things forced on that show may hurt it to the point that without solid Olympic advertising could lead to a quick dismissal.
Things aren’t good for NBC. Gaspin better be pulling together a good group of pilots or NBC Universal is going to be available for a steal.
True words. True.
Nick, can you enlighten us as to what was “forced” onto Chuck? Is NBC dictating the story-line to the point where it may hurt the show?
BTW, I just read on TVBTN that Day One has been converted into a mini-series. And the most interesting thing i read is that it will be a 2-hour pilot followed by two episodes. Assuming that Chuck is still paired with Day One, does that mean the premiere of Chuck is pushed back? Or is Chuck going to be on a different night?
Well they got the new spy romance comedy JJ abrams pilot that is similar to Chuck. Does this signal that NBC is done with Chuck? Just want to know because I know it airs in March but I would love to know NBC’s intentions on this and the potential affect on Chuck.
Thanks
I don’t even know what NBC has in store for Chuck anymore. In a sea of mediocrity Chuck is the bright spot but it gets treated like the blacksheep of the family.
I mean if Chuck comes back with decent numbers this could be good but shouldn’t NBC order more episodes soon?
There must be real worry over at NBC, with the exception of football, none of their shows are performing as expected. They have no new hits, Community is their best new show and that is finishing fourth in it’s time slot. Of their returning shows Biggest Loser and the Office get respectable ratings, the rest don’t. They can’t cancel everything and none of the shows for the spring look likely to breakout. Gaspin has a huge job ahead of him and I don’t envy the position he has been left in.
I don’t share your immediate doom on some of those shows.
Mercy may do crap numbers, but they are in line with the rest of NBC’s lineup.
Heroes is tied SVU for best performing hourlong – no, no one thinks (or thought) it will see beyond Feb of 10, but it will probably air until then.
Loser was up this week, and usually starts out slow.
NBC 11pm news is down 16%… except ABC’s is down 13%. That’s a statistical wash to me.
Is NBC in severe, bordering on extreme, trouble? Yes, Office/30 Rock/Loser/Leno/NFL could be the only things on their schedule next year that air currently. But a lot of these shows probably aren’t going anywhere until December.
I guess I feel bad for the new guy? But I really hope TVD kicks SNL and P&R. They’re awful shows and the Vampires are surprisingly good. I saw an ad tonight — they’re moving Community to 8PM next week.
As a coach I see a lot of talented kids who outperform everyone and feel they don’t have to work for it. NBC is totally that kid. For a long time they not only had great programming, but generated amazing revenue amounts. They stopped working at it and the timing couldn’t have been worse. Management is fine money-wise; they keep production costs reasonable (including cast salaries) and have good contracts with nationwide advertisers. But to maintain that they need to return to bringing quality programming to the viewer.
It’s funny how the network with the least amount of Primetime has the most available spots. Heck, we could team up and write a pilot one line at a time and it would come out better than half this fall line-up.
Seriously, who do I talk to over at NBC to get my pilot read because those 35 pages couldn’t hurt them at this point.
I’m curious what you meant by this comment on CHUCK:
“but some things forced on that show may hurt it”.
Is that related to the budget cuts or are NBC applying their dead hand to the creative process as well?
NBC have made some pretty bad choices regards shows over the last two year. I’m not going to list them all, but what were they thinking?
I can’t believe that MERCY ever looked good on paper. The dialogue is half the problem and that at least should have been evident from just reading the script. TRAUMA isn’t quite as bad, but it’s not good enough by half to have any success against better shows on at the same time, nor should it.
Much comes back to HEROES and how it was mishandled. There was potential there for a genuine ratings success that could have paved the way for an uplift across the board.
What’s compounding the problems for NBC is that it has had the misfortune to hit its rut at the same time as a recession and a contractionn of TV viewers across the board.
As I’m apparently surrounded by Chuck fans here I’ll ask this question – within the context of this post how can Chuck be considered a bright spot? Subjective issues regarding its quality aside as this post isn’t about the quality of programming but the quality of their numbers, I don’t understand how a show that had to be propped up by a sponsorship deal with Subway can be considered a ratings bright spot. It isn’t.
Does the show have the potential to grow and build an audience? Who the hell knows. It hasn’t really managed it so far and all the excuses that Chuck fans hid behind last year (House, Dancing/The Bachelor and the CBS comedies) will still be there when Chuck returns for its third season and I’m sure you’ll come up with more by the time Chuck returns. It seems unlikely to me that Olympics promotion is going to be the magic cure all that people want it to be, are people really more likely to tune into Chuck over House for example because they saw an ad during the Olympics? And even if they do will it be another post-Super Bowl rise then drop after one episode situation?
Potentially Chuck might develop into a bright spot but I have a feeling that might be more of a bright spot via perception than an actual bright spot – as in everything else has fallen so hard on NBC that when Chuck returns with a mid-2 it looks a lot better then it actually is.
Alex,
I hope that wasn’t directed at me. I’ll admit I do like CHUCK, but I’m far from an obsessive fanboy. If it doesn’t do well this season then it will deserve to be canned. I’ll miss it, but it won’t be the first time a show I’ve liked has failed.
As the blog was discussing the business of NBC rather than quality then you are right to say it’s clearly not a bright spot in terms of ratings. But this isn’t TVBTN, and it’s alot more part of this site to discuss the relative (subjective) merits of the shows we’re discussing.
Compared with the mediocrity of the other hour longs on NBC Chuck does look like a relative “bright spot”. I would like to think that would count for something eventually. Btw I’m not actually dumb enough to believe it will. You’re probably right that the same problems that have plagued it in the past will still be there in March so I’m not expecting wonders. The only real change I can see is TBBT moving.
Just noticed DAY ONE has been reduced to mini-series format. Does this not just create yet more hours of programming to fill? I was wondering recently how bad that David E Kelley drama, LEGALLY MAD, must have been for it not to be aired. Worse than MERCY?
Wait a minute. I just read that again. What do you mean forced on the show. What is being forced on Chuck where it will not come back successful. Did NBC tinker with the original story line. I thought this was supposed to be the best season yet. I am really confused and I think we need some more info because Chuck fans are getting worried.
Sorry to be such a Chuck fan boy but I only watch Football, Chuck, Community and the office. I am dying about Chuck and you used to be so optimistic, now you are doubting it’s survival. Does this have anything to do with the storyline or is it scheduling.
Neil my question was aimed more at Nick than anyone else and I guessed that given the Chuck fans here it wasn’t a question that was going to be posed by anyone else nor was it anything personal against anyone I’m just curious under what criteria Nick or anyone else is seeing Chuck as a bright spot beyond their own personal enjoyment of it.
On the subject of Legally Mad from what’s been said NBC didn’t pass on it for quality reasons but more for content reasons, which is possible as it was given a blind commitment if memory serves. I believe the pilot featured musical and dance numbers amongst other things and that NBC passed on it because of that. At least that was the speculation earlier in the year.
Alex,
No problem. I don’t take offence easily anyway.
Interesting about LEGALLY MAD. So was it relatively straight light drama/comedy with occasional breaks into song & dance or was it full on semi-musical? Isn’t this basically an ALLY McBEAL retread by Kelley?
Musical dramas can work but can also be incredibly jarring. They’re also very polarising, love’em or hate’em. GLEE seems to be doing ok though.
I haven’t seen Legally Mad nor have I read a script, I’m going purely on second and third hand information. My assumption is that the musical numbers would have been occasional breaks, probably similar to those in Pushing Daisies and given the lack of success for PD maybe that was enough to put NBC off.
Having said that given the success of Glee and Kristin Chenoweth’s Emmy win I do wonder whether NBC is kicking themselves a little on not picking up Legally Mad, musical numnber and all.
Very astute assessment, Nick, as always.
I’m curious to see where the new J.J. Abrams show goes, sounds interesting. Though unfortunately that may turn out to be a Chuck replacement if that show drops off. Fan enthusiasm was pretty high as Season 2 ended, but I see a huge amount of discontent with the creative direction of the show. I don’t have high hopes for the show’s future.
The Chuck runners need to market this show better. NickC got us all pumped up about how we will love the direction of the show and then Josh/Chris/Zach open their mouths and the fans feel despair. Is it that important to have Chuck and Sarah have other love interests. This could alienate a whole group of viewers. I give them credit for creating these wonderful characters but they are handling this as bad as you can.
Alex,
Yes, I think they may well be wondering if they made the correct choice.
When you consider they took TRAUMA & MERCY forward then it does beg the question would LEGALLY MAD have been worse really.
MERCY really is the one that I cannot fathom NBC’s thinking on. It’s followed on the heels of two other recent hospital based, nurse-focused dramas and the comparisons most of the critics have made are not kind. That’s unfortunate timing, but even if you strip away those comparisons you’re left with a weak show. The recurring nursing staff in ER had more fully developed characters. But that brings me to the looming shadow of ER hanging over it as well. You would think at a minimum that it had to be of a quality better than the later, weaker ER Seasons or else it just looks really bad by comparison. Unfortunately it’s not, so it does indeed look bad.
I could have done without the veteran stuff as well. I know there’s a war on and that ought to be refelected in popular drama but if you can’t be bothered to do it well don’t do it at all.
On the subject of The CW beating NBC the fast nationals are out and it hasn’t happened this week.
Vampire Diaries – 1.7
SNL Weekend Update Thursday – 1.8/Parks & Recreation – 1.9
I would hope with Community moving to 8 next week this is the last chance The CW was going to have to take the victory, Community will hopefully take its high-2 to 8PM and should in theory bleed some extra viewers to Parks. Of course its always possible that Diaries might go up or NBC might go down in the finals. Having said that its far too close for comfort for NBC.
On the subject of Legally Mad its hard to believe it could have done any worse than Trauma or Mercy, in fact I think it might have at least debuted stronger. However aren’t Mercy and Trauma both NBCU shows? Legally Mad was a WB production so that might also have played a part in the decision.
Alex, give it a rest please with your Chuck bashing. Whenever anybody says anything remotely positive about Chuck, you have some compulsive need to jump in and differ. We get it! Chuck’s numbers aren’t that great.
As for J.J.’s new spy show, I hope he leaves all the sci-fi stuff out of it. The Rambaldi storyline just got out of hand by season 3.
Matt Reeves (co-created Felicity with J.J.) is also at the helm of the new project so that should keep the show grounded.
Chuck is a bright spot, as its numbers are almost always dead on. Chuck has an expected audience, but with its delay to air and the Olympics, things might get interesting but I doubt by very much. Its also airing around the time some show will be on spring hiatus or close to finales. Chuck has a chance to pick up some viewers.
A snapshot of how dire things are for NBC is to look at how it’s non Leno shows are doing. Sunday night football is a sucess, but that will end after christmas.
Biggest Loser does ok, finishing second in it’s timeslots and creeping into first in the last half hour. Dateline finished second in it’s hour, but that was friday and they are only holding the time until Southland returns.
Mercy, The Office, Community, and L & O all finish third for their time period, only the Office and Community have halfway decent ratings, the others get to third due to weak competition.
All other shows, Heroes, Trauma, L&O:SVU, SNL Update and Parks are fourth in their time period. The last two almost finished fifth last night. Further Heroes’ three episodes so far have been the worst, second worst and fourth worst ratings ever for the series. L&O SVU didn’t bounce back and is getting some of it’s worst ratings ever in it’s new time slot.
There is no strength to build from, no soft or protected slots to nurse a show along. Not only are the shows struggling, but there is no hope of getting a lead in from the earlier shows (except the Office and Community, soon to be 30 Rock).
I’ve got to think a 2.4 demo will almost guarentee a renewal for next year, a 3.0 will guarentee a full season order and only consistent sub 2.0 demos will justify pulling the show off the schedule (sub 1.5 for friday).
With that criteria, current ratings (not trends) say only the Office and BL are guarenteed a full year; Heroes, L&O SVU and Community come back next year. All the others finish their orders and Parks gets pulled off the schedule. Of course this criteria has to be tempered by cost, a 2.4 demo might work at $1.5 milllion but not at $4 million.
For those that care Parks was up a tenth (to a 2.0) in the finals which puts the difference between it and Vampire Dairies at nearly half a point. On a somewhat related note didn’t the ABC comedies struggle to compete with Top Model last season? Or was that the CBS comedies?
Witheringrose I have not bashed Chuck, I simply asked the question how a show that by your own admission has numbers that aren’t very good can be considered a bright spot for NBC, which is exactly what Nick claimed it was. Nick’s post is about NBC’s declining numbers and the lack of shows that consistently perform well so it seems perfectly justified to me that a show that’s still on the air because of an outside sponsorship deal and not the strength of its numbers can be considered a bright spot.
And Some Guy Named John, what exactly is your definition of ‘dead on’? People need to remember that Chuck wasn’t renewed on the strength of its ratings but because the Subway deal makes it a profitable venture. Does the fact Chuck will make money for NBC make it a bright spot? Yes, but by the same token that would make Leno a bright spot for NBC and Nick took a very dismissive tone with Leno because of his lower numbers. Whatever else Chuck may have going for it a strong ratings track record is not amongst them.
Just one little thing:
The Vampire Diaries: 1.6 / 5
Parks & Recreation: 2.0 / 6
So…
In terms of Chuck being a bright spot for NBC, I think Nick is referring to this if a broad scope, but here’s how I see the specifics. 1. Ratings – If I’m not mistaken, Heroes is doing worse and dwindling in it’s ratings and demos in Chuck’s old time spot and Chuck had the added pressure of competing with TBBT last year in the 8pm hour. Chuck did not do stellar numbers but it was consistent and retained it’s audience which is something very rare among NBC’s current line up. 2. Quality – NBC has been getting hammered on the lack of imagination and quality of almost all of their new shows and some of their returning (Heroes in particular). 3. Financial – The deal with Subway helped NBC make the leap to finance a non-NBC Uni show (Chuck produced by the WB) & it represents a new revenue stream that’s less reliant upon the outmoded Nielsen system. 4. Media Exposure – Yes Chuck fans had to go out to Subway to show their love, but the whole renewal campaign that fans waged for Chuck represented a wave of good press for NBC and it’s something they’re likely to trade in & revisit when the show returns (at least if they’re smart). This renewal decision was one of most anticipated and rejoiced, not just among fans but critics as well. NBC has had precious little good press this fall & I can definitely see them hyping the ‘good decision’ they made in March when Chuck returns. If I were NBC, I’d use the fan renewal efforts to entice people…get them interested in what the hell could make average Americans buy sandwiches, write letters, donate to charities…how did a TV show do that??
The other sad truth is that NBC’s expectations are being rearranged by the mediocrity of their fall line-up. When the darkness becomes more deep, the tiniest of flames burns brighter…so yeah, I could see how Chuck might be considered a bright spot
Personally, I’m hoping Chuck makes it one more season and gets paired with JJ’s new spy show on Wednesday nights for an action, intruige combo…Watch your back Wednesdays, on NBC.
1 – Chuck sunk as low and I think lower than Heroes current low of 2.5, although I fully expect Heroes to keep dropping. I will also add that the time slot has nothing to do with Heroes problems and that I already acknowledge the possibility of Chuck being a bright spot by perception rather than an actual bright spot. I don’t however prescribe to the idea that Chuck’s bad numbers aren’t as bad as everyone else’s bad numbers so its a bright spot. Nor do I prescribe to that theory for any show. Also Chuck was up and down like a yo-yo last year. If it were consistent and capable of retaining an audience there wouldn’t have been the fairly big post-Super Bowl drop.
2 – Quality is entirely subjective and doesn’t mean ratings. 30 Rock is much more critically acclaimed (not to mention drowning in awards) than Chuck and hasn’t set the world alight. Fox had Arrested Development that was in a similar position, they also had Firefly. Life was loved by critics and almost universally praised but I think got lower ratings than Knight Rider last year. And a complete lack of originality and imagination doesn’t seem to be doing CBS that much harm. Plus Nick’s post wasn’t really about the creative quality of the shows.
3 – I disagree that the Subway deal isn’t reliant on the Nielsen numbers. Do you really think Subway are going to keep stumping up the cash for Chuck if it follows the same path as every other NBC show ratings wise? Product placement is no good if there’s nobody watching the shows.
4 – Ask Jericho fans how media coverage of fan campaigns works out. I don’t remember anyone tuning into Jericho to find out what made so many people send peanuts to CBS.
People are touting Chuck as a bright spot? LMAO
It hasn’t even aired its third season yet, we have no idea how it will perform.
Alex,
I agree with most of your points, but I think we’ll have to wait and see.
The Subway deal is an interesting one. I’m not sure the Nielsen ratings are necessarily as important in regards an ad that’s embedded in a show. That ad remains there regardless of what medium you watch the show on or in fact what ever country you watch it in when the show is sold onto overseas networks. According to Subway they have 31806 outlets in 91 countries. Mainly in the US, but a third outside, and I suppose that’s where the company sees it’s future growth.
If they are only paying NBC an amount that is a multiple of what they pay for an 30 sec ad slot then I think they may be happy with CHUCK’s ratings from last year.
I’m not sure I approve of overt advertising within a show, as it can be done very, very badly (SMALLVILLE), but it is probably the future with declining viewer numbers for live TV.
Chuck’s big problem with it’s ratings last season was a lack of a consistant run.
Yes it got big superbowl promotion and failed to keep the extra viewers gained, but how much of that was due to the next week being pre-empted by the Obama press conference meaning it got a 2 week hiatus?
if Chuck can get good olympics promotion and then have an uninterrupted run i think you’d be suprised what it’s numbers might do.
I would think for Subway, Nielsen numbers are LESS important than are FOOTLONG sales numbers. I don’t think ANYBODY expects a huge ratings boost for CHUCK. As much as I love the show, it would surprise me if we saw a large increase in numbers.
Subway must have obviously sold enough “extra” sandwiches as a result of the SAVE CHUCK fan campaign to figure that if they could continue to rope in the die-hard fans on Monday nights (and probalby other days occasionally out of a new loyalty to the establishment that helped save their favorite show), that they’ll see enough of a return on their investment.
A slight bump in the Nielsen numbers will make less difference to Subway than will the sales of sandwiches, esp. on Monday nights.
Chuck fans are going to have to continue to go to Subway in force on Monday’s in order to make Subway’s investment in the show worthwhile. If they don’t – if Subway doesn’t see a noticeable increase in sales associated with the airing of CHUCK episodes, then I think the whole house of cards comes tumbling down. Unfortunately.
Something to consider with the Chuck/Subway deal, is stability with last season really going to be enough?
Subway have increased (and from some reports significantly so) their investment in Chuck so are the returns they saw last year going to be good enough this year? If you invest $1 into a project and get $2 back you’re happy, if you invest $2 and still get $2 back not so happy and if you invest $2 and only get $1 back you’re not happy. I would suggest that if Subway have increased their investment in Chuck then whatever Subway gets back needs to increase as well, whether that be through real term sandwich sales or more exposure from bigger ratings or a combination of the two.
The other issue that has to be address is, will the Chuck related Subway sales maintain themselves without a ’save Chuck’ campaign driving them forward? I don’t know when the Chuck/Subway deal kicked in last year but from what I can remember Chuck fans only really ‘targeted’ Subway toward the end of the season when Chuck was in danger.
Personally I would be surprised if Chuck increased at all vs. last year and not because its Chuck but because its on NBC and I’d be surprised if anything was up on NBC at this point. I think its much more likely the show falls or if its very lucky remains stable, neither of which strike me as fantastic options.
Alex — You’re point about the poor prospect of Chuck coming back stronger due to NBC’s downward spiral are completely valid. I had the chance to talk to an Executive VP of Marketing for the WB at Comic Con and they indicated that Chuck would have to see an uptick in viewers & the best thing going for it was how little else NBC had in the hopper.
Truthfully, I don’t know that NBC will spend a ton of their efforts in promoting Chuck this spring…they’ve tried before and hit bad stings of luck from the writers strike to the Presidential pre-empting. I think fans know this and it’s one of the reasons many of the fans have been trying to do things to keep the community alive and draw in new viewers over the long hiatus…pod casts (Every1Talks, Chuck vs. the Podcast, ChuckYouTuesday), blog postings & analysis (ChuckTV & Chuckgasmic), Charity drives (WeHeartChuck), and ChuckMeMondays (Twitter chat during rewatches each Monday night). If Chuck is going to go beyond a 3rd season it has to avoid the Jericho effect and grow upon it’s base. It’s a daunting prospect, but if NBC and the WB could find a way to make that happen…it would be a great story and a milestone for TV today…that’s a goal worth chasing.
Which brings us back to the original topic…did NBC wait too long? Hard to say…I think it would be unfair to judge Gaspin on the fall results and I wonder if he’ll try to shake things up for the spring line-up. I think the Olympics may be the launching pad not only for NBC’s Spring Season, but for Gaspin’s vision for NBC. He was left with no time to react for the fall line-up, so I’m curious to see what he does with the Mid-Season turnover. I wish him the best…it makes me sad to see the Peacock looking so lifeless.
I can’t imagine Gaspin is going to have that much control over the post-Olympics schedule either.
Looking at how NBC is performing right now he’ll likely shift some shows around and as evidenced by the restructuring of Day One try and run some interference and damage limitation but I can’t see him being able to make any real changes purely because it seems unlikely the money is there to do it. Gaspin might rush Abrams new spy show into production, possibly to pair with Chuck (which might also help explain the restructured Day One) but it seems to me that Silverman’s fingerprints are going to be all over NBC until the summer and next fall.
If people want to see what Gaspin is going to do with NBC they need to keep an eye on NBC’s pilot development and wait to see what he cancels and we probably won’t have a long wait on the cancellation front. I guess what he opts to replace the cancelled shows with might provide a clue as well, although his options will be limited. It’ll also be interesting to see if he stays committed to Leno at 10 and the ‘timeslot share’/year round programming idea next season.
I am still trying to figure out what is going on with Chuck. A couple of months ago Chuck had a possibilyt of getting a back 9 and run into the summer like Burn Notice. Now there is talk of an early exit. So I am guessing the back 9 is out then, no season 4?
Nick C sure knows how to leave a bomb. It is like a Josh Shwartz spolier, puts it out there leaving you saying WTF?
I would still like to know if the back 9 is even in play or we can just forget it. I mean NBC would have to make the decision before the season and if I am reading the tea leaves that is not going to happen.
So there is a high probability that it would be 13 and then Chuck rides off into the sunset. Well that is going to eat at me for the next few months.
Nick, what did NBC force on Chuck? You stated on an earlier blog on the old website NBC stood a good chance of ordering
the back nine episodes of Chuck this year.
Is this still an accurate prediction or has
it now changed? Please advise, thanks.
In the 15 hours of primetime between Monday to Friday NBC has the following shows all getting sub 2.0 demos: Trauma, Mercy, Parks, Weekend Update, L&O, Dateline and 3-4 hours a week of Leno. That is 8-9 hours a week of primetime getting ratings that should justify cancellation, over half the schedule. Weekend Update has been dropped early and Friday may be a special case, but that is still close to half the rest getting awful ratings. The results are so bad that they make Heroes diminished results look acceptable by comparison. The worst part is that things are so bad that they probably don’t know where to start, maybe try to fix one night at a time rather than a wholesale dumping of shows. Right now it seems they are trying to fix Thursday, maybe Monday will be the next project.