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	<title>Comments on: NBC picks up COMMUNITY, MERCY &amp; PARKS &amp; RECREATION for full season</title>
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		<title>By: Some Guy Named John</title>
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		<dc:creator>Some Guy Named John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really didn&#039;t see Mercy being a full order, in fact I thought it was a goner. P&amp;R seems to made some headway in becoming better, but I still don&#039;t think it will last. Community has a chance but it needs a lead in like the Office to get people to watch a cast full on no names or has beens (sorry Chevy, I still love Vacation though).

Chuck is Chuck, if Its good people will watch, if it isn&#039;t then it will not be renewed for a 4 season.

Parenthood might not get to air, it could end up like the American versions of the IT Crowd (McCale was to star in) or Top Gear (which Leno is now stealing from).

I dont blame the new brass at NBC, because the new man is known for slow and steady. There is a rule to business, its cheaper to keep a customer than it is to procure new ones. Keeping low rated, but economically positive shows means more time to find something new for the fall. 
Instead of trying to rush some dumb reality show to air. And if NBC decides to start their idea of year round programming it meas lower cost/produced shows (similar to Cable&#039;s) will air in the summer.

So if Chuck does well, it will get a seasons 3.5/4 (reminds me of Eureka), and be back in the Fall most likely next to JJ Abrams new idea. Other shows might just get the boot and the Fall will be entirely fresh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really didn&#8217;t see Mercy being a full order, in fact I thought it was a goner. P&amp;R seems to made some headway in becoming better, but I still don&#8217;t think it will last. Community has a chance but it needs a lead in like the Office to get people to watch a cast full on no names or has beens (sorry Chevy, I still love Vacation though).</p>
<p>Chuck is Chuck, if Its good people will watch, if it isn&#8217;t then it will not be renewed for a 4 season.</p>
<p>Parenthood might not get to air, it could end up like the American versions of the IT Crowd (McCale was to star in) or Top Gear (which Leno is now stealing from).</p>
<p>I dont blame the new brass at NBC, because the new man is known for slow and steady. There is a rule to business, its cheaper to keep a customer than it is to procure new ones. Keeping low rated, but economically positive shows means more time to find something new for the fall.<br />
Instead of trying to rush some dumb reality show to air. And if NBC decides to start their idea of year round programming it meas lower cost/produced shows (similar to Cable&#8217;s) will air in the summer.</p>
<p>So if Chuck does well, it will get a seasons 3.5/4 (reminds me of Eureka), and be back in the Fall most likely next to JJ Abrams new idea. Other shows might just get the boot and the Fall will be entirely fresh.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck3G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck3G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 01:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if Chuck is the only show this season that will not get a wrap party. I mean they stop filming just before Christmas, yet there is still a very remote possibility that NBC will order more episodes. So this might be the last episode ever filmed of Chuck and they won&#039;t even get a proper send off. :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if Chuck is the only show this season that will not get a wrap party. I mean they stop filming just before Christmas, yet there is still a very remote possibility that NBC will order more episodes. So this might be the last episode ever filmed of Chuck and they won&#8217;t even get a proper send off. <img src='http://behindthescreensblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Rick Holy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Holy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 20:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@tony.  thanks for the input.  Peace!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@tony.  thanks for the input.  Peace!</p>
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		<title>By: tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 03:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick,

No need to respond to Julia.  She was a POS know-it-all Chuck hater last season and she is the exact same hater this year.  Her only goal at this forum and others is apparently to go around and correct every little detail that average posters don&#039;t cover to her satisfaction and then do mean spirited hit jobs on Chuck fans because she just cannot stomach the fact that people watch and enjoy the show and are enthusiatic about it.

Her whole goal is to piss on Chuck fans and she is frankly not worthy of a response until she grows the hell up and finds a new axe to grind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick,</p>
<p>No need to respond to Julia.  She was a POS know-it-all Chuck hater last season and she is the exact same hater this year.  Her only goal at this forum and others is apparently to go around and correct every little detail that average posters don&#8217;t cover to her satisfaction and then do mean spirited hit jobs on Chuck fans because she just cannot stomach the fact that people watch and enjoy the show and are enthusiatic about it.</p>
<p>Her whole goal is to piss on Chuck fans and she is frankly not worthy of a response until she grows the hell up and finds a new axe to grind.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 21:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well what can be said really? NBC has just found another way to keep people out on a
limb with regard to Chuck. I commented last week they had to make up their minds one way or another and it seems they have,
sort of, maybe, perhaps, not sure....

Need I go on? Looks like the programming
hesitation and incompetence just keeps on
rolling no matter who is in charge and I really had high hopes for Gaspin. The
consistent groupthink at NBC must be
contagious. Unfortuneatly, there seems to
be no vaccine available for a cure, and the
viewers are once again left in limbo.
&quot;Will it or won&#039;t it&quot; vs &quot;Will they or
won&#039;t they?&quot; 

I just can&#039;t wait for the next soap like
episode in this never ending story. Maybe
it wouldn&#039;t be a bad idea to turn their
decision making process into a weekly series of its own. Maybe they could get
Subway to sponsor that too.

It&#039;s just a shame to hang Chuck out like
this. It doesn&#039;t bode well for the show,
and like most bad things that happen, it
could have been prevented. Thursday nights
was probably its best chance and I don&#039;t
think Leno will be cut back. It would cost
NBC too much lost credibility. My guess
would be they will keep it on to the bitter
end.

Well nothing else left to do except wait as
usual. Stay tuned as we all hold our collective breath waiting for NBC&#039;s next
move, right? Yeah right.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well what can be said really? NBC has just found another way to keep people out on a<br />
limb with regard to Chuck. I commented last week they had to make up their minds one way or another and it seems they have,<br />
sort of, maybe, perhaps, not sure&#8230;.</p>
<p>Need I go on? Looks like the programming<br />
hesitation and incompetence just keeps on<br />
rolling no matter who is in charge and I really had high hopes for Gaspin. The<br />
consistent groupthink at NBC must be<br />
contagious. Unfortuneatly, there seems to<br />
be no vaccine available for a cure, and the<br />
viewers are once again left in limbo.<br />
&#8220;Will it or won&#8217;t it&#8221; vs &#8220;Will they or<br />
won&#8217;t they?&#8221; </p>
<p>I just can&#8217;t wait for the next soap like<br />
episode in this never ending story. Maybe<br />
it wouldn&#8217;t be a bad idea to turn their<br />
decision making process into a weekly series of its own. Maybe they could get<br />
Subway to sponsor that too.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just a shame to hang Chuck out like<br />
this. It doesn&#8217;t bode well for the show,<br />
and like most bad things that happen, it<br />
could have been prevented. Thursday nights<br />
was probably its best chance and I don&#8217;t<br />
think Leno will be cut back. It would cost<br />
NBC too much lost credibility. My guess<br />
would be they will keep it on to the bitter<br />
end.</p>
<p>Well nothing else left to do except wait as<br />
usual. Stay tuned as we all hold our collective breath waiting for NBC&#8217;s next<br />
move, right? Yeah right&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 19:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I am a fan of the show, I usually try to avoid the tendancy to make all topics a part of the how does this affect Chuck line of thought.  However this actually does affect Chuck, with the full season renewals of the Thursday comedies that night seems to be out, Mercy&#039;s renewal depending on if it is for 6 or 9 episodes seems to take Wednesday off the table for Chuck and maybe for Parenthood too.

So Monday seems to be the night, it seems that Gaspin is trying to build some continuity and predictability in his schedule so that people will know that if they want to see a particular show, they will know that it is where it has been and is easy to find, that seems to rule out a lot of schedule changes.

The key is what happens with Trauma, it seems to have bottomed out at about 1.7-1.8 in the demos and five point something in total viewers.  Will NBC let it finish it&#039;s 13 episode order, if so what replaces it after Christmas, Chuck or some other short run series. If it is Chuck, does that switch Heroes to 9PM, it&#039;s old time slot or does it stay where it was and Chuck gets 9, at least until the Olympics.

Or does Trauma get moved or pulled or canceled in November, in which case the same questions get asked only earlier.

Also there is the question of lead in to Leno, sorry Castle fans but it is weak competition and Leno should be doing better on Mondays than it is.  NBC has to ask if the network would be better off as it is with Heroes getting a demo of 2.5, Trauma at 1.8 and Leno at 1.6 or would it be better to eat the cost of dropping Trauma and getting maybe 2.2 with Chuck, 2.4 with Heroes and 1.8 or 1.9 with Leno (as a result of the better lead in).

Personally I think that they will let Trauma run out the course, start Chuck at 8 in January, push Heroes to 9 and to accomodate this give Chuck an order for 6 more episodes to make a 19 show season ( unless they allow one or more two hour shows to reach 22).  this could be just blind optimism but Gaspin seems to be reluctant to start something that will fail (Southland) or to change poor performers for the sake of change (Mercy, Parks and Community).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I am a fan of the show, I usually try to avoid the tendancy to make all topics a part of the how does this affect Chuck line of thought.  However this actually does affect Chuck, with the full season renewals of the Thursday comedies that night seems to be out, Mercy&#8217;s renewal depending on if it is for 6 or 9 episodes seems to take Wednesday off the table for Chuck and maybe for Parenthood too.</p>
<p>So Monday seems to be the night, it seems that Gaspin is trying to build some continuity and predictability in his schedule so that people will know that if they want to see a particular show, they will know that it is where it has been and is easy to find, that seems to rule out a lot of schedule changes.</p>
<p>The key is what happens with Trauma, it seems to have bottomed out at about 1.7-1.8 in the demos and five point something in total viewers.  Will NBC let it finish it&#8217;s 13 episode order, if so what replaces it after Christmas, Chuck or some other short run series. If it is Chuck, does that switch Heroes to 9PM, it&#8217;s old time slot or does it stay where it was and Chuck gets 9, at least until the Olympics.</p>
<p>Or does Trauma get moved or pulled or canceled in November, in which case the same questions get asked only earlier.</p>
<p>Also there is the question of lead in to Leno, sorry Castle fans but it is weak competition and Leno should be doing better on Mondays than it is.  NBC has to ask if the network would be better off as it is with Heroes getting a demo of 2.5, Trauma at 1.8 and Leno at 1.6 or would it be better to eat the cost of dropping Trauma and getting maybe 2.2 with Chuck, 2.4 with Heroes and 1.8 or 1.9 with Leno (as a result of the better lead in).</p>
<p>Personally I think that they will let Trauma run out the course, start Chuck at 8 in January, push Heroes to 9 and to accomodate this give Chuck an order for 6 more episodes to make a 19 show season ( unless they allow one or more two hour shows to reach 22).  this could be just blind optimism but Gaspin seems to be reluctant to start something that will fail (Southland) or to change poor performers for the sake of change (Mercy, Parks and Community).</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Holy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Holy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 14:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Julia.  I believe the shows that I was commenting on last year - although I can&#039;t remember exactly - had higher ratings than Chuck and would logically deserve to be renewed.

What I&#039;m commenting on now is the logic, or rather the lack of logic in NBC&#039;s decision-making process.  Believe me, for those who love Community, Parks &amp; Rec., etc, I am happy for them.  I don&#039;t find the shows particularly appealing or worth the time to watch, but if others do, then kudos for them.

What I&#039;m trying to say is that Chuck had to struggle last season to even get renewed - and it had just as good or better numbers in a WAY tougher time slot than the shows that just got picked up for full seasons by NBC (whereas Chuck got &quot;rewarded&quot; with little more than a &quot;half-season&quot; and a TEN MONTH hiatus.)

I&#039;m just trying to apply some kind of logic to the decisions that NBC is making - and I&#039;m having a tough time coming up with any.  They renewed Southland early on last year, only to cancel it because it was &quot;too gritty&quot; for the 9 p.m. time slot. Where did they THINK they were going to put it - at 8??  Certainly not at 10 - that&#039;s Leno territory. 

What does it take to &quot;succeed&quot; as a show on NBC?  Is it ratings?  Is it that TPTB &quot;like&quot; the show.  Is it that it &quot;makes money&quot; even if not very many people are watching it?  That might be an interesting question for someone way more knowledgable than me to comment on - perhaps NickC.  I hear all this stuff about NBC looking at &quot;margins&quot; or &quot;quality&quot; - so do actual ratings have little or nothing to do with their programming decisions??

If you&#039;re a fan of an NBC show, it seems like you&#039;ll always be on pins and needles - unless you&#039;re a mega-hit, because the criteria for renewal isn&#039;t exactly obvious to the average Joe/Jane.

If Community and Parks &amp; Rec., are your thing, then ROCK ON and enjoy the shows for the rest of their seasons.  I never &quot;campaigned&quot; for either of them to get cancelled, just commented - AFTER they got full season pickups - that they weren&#039;t exactly my cup of tea and that when they got renewed for full seasons, I didn&#039;t think they deserved it.  

That&#039;s much different than if I would have come out a month ago and said CANCEL Parks and Rec. and CANCEL Community so that Chuck can come back on early.  THAT would have been &quot;pissing&quot; on those shows - and that I WASN&#039;T doing.  Now I am opining, not pissing.  That&#039;s the difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Julia.  I believe the shows that I was commenting on last year &#8211; although I can&#8217;t remember exactly &#8211; had higher ratings than Chuck and would logically deserve to be renewed.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m commenting on now is the logic, or rather the lack of logic in NBC&#8217;s decision-making process.  Believe me, for those who love Community, Parks &amp; Rec., etc, I am happy for them.  I don&#8217;t find the shows particularly appealing or worth the time to watch, but if others do, then kudos for them.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m trying to say is that Chuck had to struggle last season to even get renewed &#8211; and it had just as good or better numbers in a WAY tougher time slot than the shows that just got picked up for full seasons by NBC (whereas Chuck got &#8220;rewarded&#8221; with little more than a &#8220;half-season&#8221; and a TEN MONTH hiatus.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just trying to apply some kind of logic to the decisions that NBC is making &#8211; and I&#8217;m having a tough time coming up with any.  They renewed Southland early on last year, only to cancel it because it was &#8220;too gritty&#8221; for the 9 p.m. time slot. Where did they THINK they were going to put it &#8211; at 8??  Certainly not at 10 &#8211; that&#8217;s Leno territory. </p>
<p>What does it take to &#8220;succeed&#8221; as a show on NBC?  Is it ratings?  Is it that TPTB &#8220;like&#8221; the show.  Is it that it &#8220;makes money&#8221; even if not very many people are watching it?  That might be an interesting question for someone way more knowledgable than me to comment on &#8211; perhaps NickC.  I hear all this stuff about NBC looking at &#8220;margins&#8221; or &#8220;quality&#8221; &#8211; so do actual ratings have little or nothing to do with their programming decisions??</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re a fan of an NBC show, it seems like you&#8217;ll always be on pins and needles &#8211; unless you&#8217;re a mega-hit, because the criteria for renewal isn&#8217;t exactly obvious to the average Joe/Jane.</p>
<p>If Community and Parks &amp; Rec., are your thing, then ROCK ON and enjoy the shows for the rest of their seasons.  I never &#8220;campaigned&#8221; for either of them to get cancelled, just commented &#8211; AFTER they got full season pickups &#8211; that they weren&#8217;t exactly my cup of tea and that when they got renewed for full seasons, I didn&#8217;t think they deserved it.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s much different than if I would have come out a month ago and said CANCEL Parks and Rec. and CANCEL Community so that Chuck can come back on early.  THAT would have been &#8220;pissing&#8221; on those shows &#8211; and that I WASN&#8217;T doing.  Now I am opining, not pissing.  That&#8217;s the difference.</p>
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		<title>By: VYuci</title>
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		<dc:creator>VYuci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 06:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And who are you to say P&amp;R, Community, and Mercy are &quot;less deserving shows?&quot; It&#039;s all subjective. Why do you have to crap on fans of those other shows? I&#039;m a huge Chuck fan but also a big fan of Community. Yes it doesn&#039;t get stellar ratings, but like Chuck a lot of critics love the show. You make it seem like that NBC revolves around Chuck. It doesn&#039;t. 

And if you follow stuff other than Chuck, then you would know that NBC (or any network) could easily cancel a show after they&#039;ve announced the &quot;back 9&quot;. If ratings tank for whatever reason, the networks could easily cancel a show.

And regarding the JJ Abrams show, who said it will hurt Chuck? Wouldn&#039;t the obvious observation be that it could easily be a great pairing WITH Chuck?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And who are you to say P&amp;R, Community, and Mercy are &#8220;less deserving shows?&#8221; It&#8217;s all subjective. Why do you have to crap on fans of those other shows? I&#8217;m a huge Chuck fan but also a big fan of Community. Yes it doesn&#8217;t get stellar ratings, but like Chuck a lot of critics love the show. You make it seem like that NBC revolves around Chuck. It doesn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>And if you follow stuff other than Chuck, then you would know that NBC (or any network) could easily cancel a show after they&#8217;ve announced the &#8220;back 9&#8243;. If ratings tank for whatever reason, the networks could easily cancel a show.</p>
<p>And regarding the JJ Abrams show, who said it will hurt Chuck? Wouldn&#8217;t the obvious observation be that it could easily be a great pairing WITH Chuck?</p>
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		<title>By: Siri Atiragram Lleof</title>
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		<dc:creator>Siri Atiragram Lleof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 05:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing on NBC interests me anymore. I only watch Heroes these days simply to see what wacky thing Sylar will do next.

You people were whining when it was thought Chuck would be coming back so soon. Too soon.

But now that its not coming back so soon you still whine. 

Really annoying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing on NBC interests me anymore. I only watch Heroes these days simply to see what wacky thing Sylar will do next.</p>
<p>You people were whining when it was thought Chuck would be coming back so soon. Too soon.</p>
<p>But now that its not coming back so soon you still whine. </p>
<p>Really annoying.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck3G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck3G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 05:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More Chuck is better than More Mercy. Duh!! One of the best shows quality and critic wise and it gets a short order and a late start while other less deserving shows get more. I am just bitter and I am not afraid to admit it. I would love for season 3.5. I don&#039;t trust NBC to now cancel Chuck. After all JJ spy show will be on next season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More Chuck is better than More Mercy. Duh!! One of the best shows quality and critic wise and it gets a short order and a late start while other less deserving shows get more. I am just bitter and I am not afraid to admit it. I would love for season 3.5. I don&#8217;t trust NBC to now cancel Chuck. After all JJ spy show will be on next season.</p>
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